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36) Metousiosis - or "holy cannibalism"

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                                 A LIST OF 50 REASONS

              WHY METOUSIOSIS (Orthodox Transubstantiation)

                                  DOES NOT HAPPEN.

 

 

under construction:

"in apportioning the holy gifts during the Liturgy, the priest says "broken and divided is the Lamb of God, who is divided yet not disunited, ever eaten but never consumed, sanctifying those who partake thereof." "

They then say this is his body in heaven now (so the disciples "ate" his flesh and blood body?

Facebook comment by me:

On earth the body of Jesus was made of atoms. Here Catholics now admit that after the priest casts his magic spell over the bread and wine not one atom changes. Not one single electron. Nothing! But underneath the atoms God now places "Jesus substance" which is undefinable. This "substance" is not made of atoms, yet on Earth Jesus body was made of atoms. So.... that body is a different body. Right? As it has not atoms in it. It isn't really his body at all.

THE SECOND MIRACLE. - reverse transubstantiation.

                                           - reverse metousiosis.

"The Filthiness of her fornication."

The mass is one of the major identifying things that links the Mother of Harlots to her daughters - the various Orthodox churches. A Protestant (and I believe correct) interpretation of "the filthiness of her fornication" is the fornication is calling bread and wine God (idolatry) and the filthiness is the concept of the being cannibals, and also digesting Jesus. The Roman Catholics have therefore at some point in history invented a doctrine that states "Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist". What this means is that when the bread hits your stomach acid and begins to be digested, at some point, perhaps 15 minutes, the bread begins to move along into the digestion process so that it will eventually (pardon my bluntness but it must be dealt with) be turned into faeces, and the Catholic get-around that this breaks the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" is to say that it is at this point that the "species no longer subsists". So a second so called miracle occurs, that might be termed by Protestants perhaps as "de-transubstantiation" or "reverse transubstantiation". So chewing up Jesus and having him swilling about inside your stomach with pepsin, and the remainders of your breakfast is not breaking the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" ??? Sorry - but it clearly is breaking the scripture.

The question is, does Orthodoxy have the same doctrine of reverse transubstantiation? Or do they claim their less specific word metousiosis does not require the same answer as they avoid the word "substance"? I feel pretty well 100% sure the Orthodox will never give a specific answer and will use the get-out the Pharisees used quote "we cannot tell".

TRANSUBSTANTIATION CHECKLIST:

 


1)  What good does eating a human body do for you? physically.


2)  How can you get the entire body of Jesus on a spoon? (Orthodoxy always feeds communion on a spoon - totally not in the bible)


3)  Why does it still smell, taste and look like bread and wine?


4)  How could the disciples eat Jesus if he stood in front of them?


5)  How could the disciples eat Jesus Christ crucified before he was crucified?


6)  How can they eat Jesus Christ resurrected before he was resurrected?


7)  If we eat Christ's resurrected body, that is a special transfigured body with special attributes and powers. It is in effect an altered body than the disciples are supposed to have eaten.


8)  Why is bowing the knee to (Roman Catholic) or prostrating yourself before (Orthodox) a piece of bread not idolatry?


9)  Why isnt it blasphemy to call a piece of bread God? (it is called fornication to worship any thing or one except God).


10)  If you chew up Jesus and digest him, why does that not break the prophecy "You shall not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption"?  (Acts 2:27 & Acts 13:35 & Psalm 16:10) see 1 Corinthians 15:54 where it further says Jesus' resurrected body is incorruptible.

Facebook quote: Catholic answer on digestion of Jesus, that God calls filthiness in Rev 17: 4

"The Church teaches that Jesus remains as long as the species persist, which in the human body, is about 15 minutes or so."

In the Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1377, you will see: "The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of the parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ."

 

source that. You are basically saying that this "mystery substance = his body" underneath the atoms is there while it is still bread, but as it begins to turn into manure the Jesus substance hiding under the atoms conveniently vanishes.

So.... if Jesus is fried in stomach acid for 15 minutes he has not "seen corruption" yet but as the Hydrochloric acid and enzymes make headway on the atomic structure God removes the "Jesus substance" underneath the molecules.

"Jesus substance" Amazing that the body of Jesus never had any atoms in it.


11)  The new testament says the crucifixion of Christ was a sacrifice ONCE for ALL.

 

12)  Why isn't eating human flesh and blood cannibalism?


13)  The cup the Whore of Babylon offers the world is obviously the mass.


14)  Why isn't multiple Christs across the whole planet in mass and holy eucharists a multitude of false Christs (a prophecy Jesus said would happen).


15)  (Catholics only) How can a man be empowered to create God in the flesh?


16)  The Book of Acts forbids drinking blood.


17)  Why does Jesus say the communion is specifically only a remembrance?


18)  If you have "no life in you" unless you have physically eaten Jesus, does that mean no one can be saved without the mass or eucharist supplied through men? (the real meaning is you should have an all consuming love for God that transcends even the love of your family, without which the relationship of a true believer is not there.) .


19) In Orthodoxy, they drop onto a spoon together:

a) bread (his body, blood, soul and divinity) onto
b) wine mixed with water (his body, blood, soul and divinity), so why is that not two of Jesus? Same eating the crumbs
c) The priest take the elements separately, as if it is a higher form of taking it, as trusted not to spill crumbs, whereas the masses must be spoon fed it in a mixing of the two. It may be the so called laity kept dropping crumbs on the floor and standing on them, thus this tradition evolved (?).

 

20)  Nowhere in the bible does it say to mix water and wine for communion (Orthodoxy).

​21) In Orthodoxy the priest takes "the elements" separately, being careful every crumb has been eaten up, put on a napkin and take wine, so no separate droplets fall to the dust. That is simply a different communion than the laity in the same service.

 

22) The Jewish Passover (The Feast of Unleavened bread) did not use leaven, so the bread was unleavened and the wine was grape juice according to most Evangelical preachers. So how is the Holy Eucharist the same as Jesus gave if the bread and wine are different (in Orthodoxy - who use leavened bread and alcoholic wine?

 

23) It is as obvious to spiritual people that the eucharist or mass bread do not turn into flesh and blood, as it is that the Miracle of Holy Fire that occurs every year in Jerusalem is a complete and utter fake. It is as real sa saying "It is not raining, that is the angels crying." 

24) Do you admit that if the bread and wine do stay the same, as Evangelical born again Christians say, then by saying the bread and wine are the "body, blood, soul and divinity" of Christ, it is an act of idolatry (spiritual fornication), especially if you bow to them or prostrate yourself before them? Answer.

25) If the Orthodox Church do not believe they eat the flesh and blood of Christ, what do they think they eat, and when did they repudiate the Pope and the Catholics as heretics for thinking and saying they do?

26) The Orthodox religion (that performs infant communion) puts water into the communion wine. This is not found in scripture. Giving children and babes neat wine is against natural parental instincts, thus in order to practice their bogus tradition of infant communion (as if part of their salvation) water may have been added to the wine for this cause, to help to dupe people into the practice.

27) In the Great Schism the Orthodox believers accused the Roman Catholics of "Judaising the communion" by using unleavened bread not leavened bread, but in so doing they pointed to the fact the first communion, a passover, did use unleavened bread.

28) The Roman Catholics and Orthodox believers DO NOT take the bible literally about the communion, if they did they would believe the wine is ONLY blood and the bread is ONLY his Body. If the Orthodox want to say they are different because they really do believe it is blood only, and body only, there seems to be few conflicts over it, as it would mean a VERY pronounced difference between transubstantiation and metousiosis.  It is worded in Orthodoxy as if they believe the change is that simplistic, but if they stick to this it brings up a lot of questions Catholics would not necessarily have to answer. Like drinking blood is forbidden even in the new covenant in Acts.

​29) "Do this in remembrance of me." How could they be remembering his death and resurrection when he had not died yet? the obvious answer the Orthodox might give is "it was an instruction for future eucharists"....... but then they stop and think < if I say that, the very first eucharist was just bread and wine, like Evangelicals say! > thus they decide to totally discount that possibility and instead prefer to believe they were remembering his death then, and were eating his crucified and resurrected body, with such fanciful excuses as "God dwells outside of  time!" Yes but Jesus died inside of time, and it had not happened yet, and they were not remembering him then, or his resurrection, neither were they eating his resurrected body.

30) when the bread turns into the body of Jesus, is it his crucified body without resurrection, his resurrected body, or his ascended body?

​​31) When put in its simplest rendering it is "Eat and digest Jesus to "stay saved", this meal can only be provided via priests."

​32) If they supposedly eat the resurrected Jesus, they a) "eat him alive", and, b) "digest him alive". a) is quite painful, b) even more so unless you say he dies in the process of eating,

​33) If you chew the bread you have (say) 50 Jesus in your mouth at the same time, as each crumb is the "body, soul and divinity" of Jesus, and at very least 50 people in the communion queue eat 50 different Jesus.

34)  EASTERN ORTHODOX COMMUNION SPREADS DISEASE
The Orthodox way of taking the eucharist is unhygienic. Plunging the same spoon into people's mouths over and over again can spread several viruses and diseases, including the common cold, mumps, herpes simplex (cold sores), strep throat, mononucleosis (kisser's disease), and possibly meningitis. It is even possible, though it seldom happens, to contract foot and mouth disease in this way. The same napkin is used over and over again too.

In what year was a spoon even first used?

35) do you bow the knee before the "changed" bread (Catholic) or prostrate yourself before it (Orthodoxy)

36) the vocabulary of Orthodoxy proves its man made ritualism, as names are given to almost each one, especially in the blasphemy room at the back of the so called church, where the "cannibalism" is supposed to be initiated.

37) Throughout Fox's Book of Martyrs we see countless tales of men and women burnt alive "for denying the real presence" in the eucharist. This is "the wine of the wrath of her fornication" Rev 16:3 & 14:8. They literally wanted to murder everyone who would not call a piece of bread God in the flesh, and similarly every drop of wine.

38) did Jesus keep the old testament law in full if he went against the old covenant law and used leavened bread and alcoholic wine in the Last Supper? Interesting point of discussion as Orthodoxy use both, and is their communion the same as Christs therefore??? Also this gives babies and children their first taste of alcohol.

39) If a strict vegetarian refuses to "eat flesh" he cannot be saved?

40) Jesus said he would not drink the wine..... but did he eat himself at the Last Supper? 

41)  COMMUNION.

John 6:53 It is a simile, like "the sheep and the goats" representing the necessity to have an all consuming love for God, that transcends that even of love for your family.

 

42) If Jesus is being eaten alive, why would he not feel pain?

43) Do the Orthodox eat his living flesh or his dead flesh and blood?

44) Prove a resurrected body even has any blood, 1 Cor 15 says you are a fool if you think you know what the resurrected body is like. What colour is the blood? Red? Like water? What is in it? How is it the same communion the disciples took BEFORE he was resurrected?

45) What is this supposed consecration in sequence?

quote

"And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body." Mark 14:22

Jesus said here "this is my body" sequentially after he gave it to them. 

46) Even the Orthodox will admit that the bread and wine were just symbols before the so called "consecration". It was Jesus himself who blessed the bread and supposedly "turned it into" his flesh. The Orthodox variously try to explain away the dissimilarity by saying sometimes "Jesus possesses the priest" however do do what? Jesus possesses the priest to invoke the Holy Ghost? Was it the Holy Ghost or Jesus who first supposedly turned the bread into his human flesh (Catholics say the bread is his blood also).

This is also a double blasphemy if they say that, as first the Holy Ghost is "invoked" into supposedly supplying cannibalism, and second they say it was Jesus possessing the priest (I think we will so bust that heresy and the Orthodox will say it far less frequently and deny it as doctrine)

47) Some Orthodox try to argue a priest is "possessed by Jesus" as he "invokes the Holy Ghost", that could be seen by some as a fulfilment of the prophecy of false Christs at the end of the age?

48) Orthodoxy teaches - the Eucharist is a propitiatory sacrifice for confessed sins in addition to the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

49) Rule 2 of the Council of Antioch penalizes those who “turn away” from the Communion with excommunication. Zonaras explains that the turning away should not be understood as outright defiance of the Sacrament, which leads to a full banishment and anathema, but rather reluctance to take part in the Eucharist due to false humility.

50) 

THE SECOND MIRACLE. - reverse transubstantiation.

                                           - reverse metousiosis.

"The Filthiness of her fornication."

The mass is one of the major identifying things that links the Mother of Harlots to her daughters - the various Orthodox churches. A Protestant (and I believe correct) interpretation of "the filthiness of her fornication" is the fornication is calling bread and wine God (idolatry) and the filthiness is the concept of the being cannibals, and also digesting Jesus. The Roman Catholics have therefore at some point in history invented a doctrine that states "Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist". What this means is that when the bread hits your stomach acid and begins to be digested, at some point, perhaps 15 minutes, the bread begins to move along into the digestion process so that it will eventually (pardon my bluntness but it must be dealt with) be turned into faeces, and the Catholic get-around that this breaks the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" is to say that it is at this point that the "species no longer subsists". So a second so called miracle occurs, that might be termed by Protestants perhaps as "de-transubstantiation" or "reverse transubstantiation". So chewing up Jesus and having him swilling about inside your stomach with pepsin, and the remainders of your breakfast is not breaking the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" ??? Sorry - but it clearly is breaking the scripture.

The question is, does Orthodoxy have the same doctrine of reverse transubstantiation? Or do they claim their less specific word metousiosis does not require the same answer as they avoid the word "substance"? I feel pretty well 100% sure the Orthodox will never give a specific answer and will use the get-out the Pharisees used quote "we cannot tell".

 

 

51) Scientific testing. A Liverpool preacher called Pastor David Braid GSM, who died this year (2019) on Good Friday, several years before his death, went into a Catholic church and received Catholic Communion (though he was Protestant) and took the bread to Liverpool University Science Lab so the bread could be analysed. The result of the analysis was that the bread was just a starchy material like bread of potato, it did not contain the trace elements of the human body etc. As this can be done the modern Roman Catholic response seems to be that every atom and molecules of the bread remains the same, but some mysterious concept of its substance changing occurs. I say "modern Catholic response" as before such analysis was invented Catholics would probably have given an answer saying the very physical molecules were altered in some way. If I am right about this, the Catholics would "at last" be resorting to more desperate measures of the Eastern Orthodox church to keep mystifying this instead of explaining it. What are they really saying here? That the atoms and molecules in the bread are physically the same VISUALLY but the actual individual atoms turn into atoms from Jesus body? But would that be flesh and blood in the same sense? I am speculating here as of course I as yet have heard no explanation from the Pope.

52) Doctrine that "only priests can touch the host" as only their hands are consecrated (and that is why they can bless) orthodox as well as catholic??? Therefore they say its wrong to put bread on a hand . St Augustine taught that anyone touching the "host" commits a great mortal sin unless a priest, and Thomas Aquinas said only priests can handle and distribute Holy Communion.

53) That the eucharist is "the most holy" of the sacraments (degrees of holiness) more holy than baptism.

54) The catholic answer that the disciples ate the crucified and resurrected body of Christ because they "transcended time and space" has an interesting follow up question:

as the body of Jesus is now in heaven, where it says there is no flesh and blood (1 Corinthians 15:50) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". So his resurrected body is not as our present flesh and blood body, so what body exactly are Catholics / Orthodox claiming they are eating today? And are they categorically saying his body even has blood in it in Heaven, and his flesh is as it was when he was crucified?

55) Catholics now admit every physical atom and molecule in the mass wafer is identical after "transubstantiation" occurs. So define "substance" in the word.

56) Did Jesus eat himself (called "receive himself" ) in the Last Supper...... so he supposedly ate his crucified and resurrected body in his un-crucified and un-resurrected body, then 15 minutes later Jesus was removed from the bread in case Jesus digested himself (called reverse transubstantiation).

 

57) Could there be any difference in his glorified (ascended) resurrected body, and his original resurrected body (that could walk through walls). And if so..... what are Catholics and the Orthodox supposed to be eating now.

The Miracle of Lanciano:

The Catholics try to get around this by claiming a Basilian monk in the 8th century doubted the real presence and God turned a piece of bread into a "piece of Jesus" and this has been scientifically analysed on several occasions and it is a piece of a male human heart. So historically the say they have the DNA of Jesus and that would mean Jesus could be cloned using modern type science techniques. Why change it into a large piece of heart? That just undermines the subject actually, it is not the whole Christ. It is just yet another bogus Catholic relic and miracle to go along with their foreskin of Jesus, umbilical cord of Jesus that would only be believed by the credulous. see link:

 

Their answer is that it is part of the heart of Jesus pierced by the lance on the cross by the Roman centurion Longinus (Thus the city name Lancia - they claim) and the wine change into real blood, which thereupon coagulated and split into five globules.

The reliquary: the Fesh is enclosed in a round gold-plated silver lunette, between two crystals, in a monstrance of finely sculpted silver. The Blood is preserved in a chalice of crystal, and affixed to the base of the monstrance.

If the heart of Jesus is preserved on Earth now in Lanciano. doesn't he have a heart in heaven? The bible says you are a fool if you think you know what the resurrected body is like. So you say his resurrected body has red corpuscles in it in heaven and is in every way like our body? Who says heavenly bodies even have blood in them?

http://www.vcatholic.com/articles/eucharistic-miracle-lanciano-italy/

Catholics also quote

Teresa Neumann, the famed Catholic Stigmatic from Bavaria subsisted on no solid food but the Holy Eucharist from 1926 until her death in 1962 some 36 years later. The Catholics tell lies like this for years, and then when pressed, will probably say something like "solid food does not include soup". Credulity is not Faith.

and:

The liquifying blood of Saint Januarius ....  as "proof" of the miracle of transubstantiation.

 

The Orthodox Church in America

           a Puppet of Russia.

Post-reconciliation schism:

Critics of the reunification argue that "the hierarchy in Moscow still has not properly addressed the issue of KGB infiltration of the church hierarchy during the Soviet period."

( so.... you are potentially confessing

your sins to the KGB / FSB or FSS in America,

as Russian rules over the USA church jurisdiction in Orthodoxy!!)

Founded in 1794 — Granted Autocephaly in 1970 by Russia  -  denied autocephaly by the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

see Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia [c]

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